Comments on: CakePHP Mythbusters!

By: CakePHP Digest #5 | PseudoCoder.com

CakePHP Digest #5 | PseudoCoder.com — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:07:52 +0000

[...] Chris Hartjes has a nice post refuting pretty much everything said in this post comparing CakePHP and symfony. Kudos to Chris for his post, but mostly for actually getting through the original comparison. I started to read it to see what quippy little jokes I could make, but slipped into a 20 year coma after 3 lines. Fortunately WordPress version 47.3 has a cool feature where you can back publish posts and they will actually appear back in time, which is why you are able to read this. [...]

By: O.J.

O.J. — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:04:03 +0000

Spot on, Chris! If I had the time to blog then would contain most of these. It’s nice to see Jonathan, Nate, and the rest of the guys standing up for what they believe in. Now if only I had time to write that book for the rest of us… And I just want you guys to know that I want to write one real bad. I’m just afraid that I might just finish it *after* the next version of CakePHP… Cheers to the community that keeps our bakers alive, keep rockin’!

By: austin_web_developer

austin_web_developer — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:53:40 +0000

And there aren’t that many books on cake either. I have the “Beginning CakePHP” by David Golding and I like it because it filled in some gaps in my cake jujitsu … but I’m badly wanting a “The Rails Way” equivalent … a painstakingly complete guide to cake.

By: austin_web_developer

austin_web_developer — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:50:35 +0000

I gotta say … this is all very interesting to me, because I’m a recent cakephp convert.

I have been doing a lot of Ruby on Rails programming and loving it to pieces, but every now and then a project will come along that, for some reason or another, has to be done in php. I finally settled on cake after looking at Code Igniter, Zend and Symphony. It just requires the least change of mindset from Rails and it just seems more complete as a framework.

I have to say it has been fun and I can’t understand half of the things that people complain about cake for, with the exception of Documentation. Its not bad, but the infuriating thing about cake is the lack of detail in certain critical places that leaves you looking at the API docs to figure out how the arguments in certain method calls work.

Apart from that and its apparent slowness (I was using RC2 … haven’t done much with it since then) I really think its pretty spectacular … especially being a PHP product (which tend to emphasize get-it-done over elegance and quality code).

By: Tarique Sani

Tarique Sani — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:26:35 +0000

I think CakePHP should appoint a PRO, setup an HR department and appoint a board of directors who do nothing – that will make it enterprise ready

By: Chris Hartjes

Chris Hartjes — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:08:29 +0000

@Davidion

Defend? Nah, I’m not really going to play that game.

That presentation is focusing on CakePHP 1.1, which I do not use. Much of what he is complaining about is simply no longer valid in CakePHP 1.2, so I suggest that he go back and take a look.

No framework is perfect, so I don’t understand the point of his presentation. If anything it is simply promoting his own framework that he thinks is better than anything else. His comments on dependency injection are interesting though.

By: Chris Hartjes

Chris Hartjes — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:38:30 +0000

@Rob

There is a difference between scaffolding and what ‘cake bake’ produces. I had a few drinks last night with one of my blog readers who lives in Milton (hi Colin) and we discussed the importance of nomenclature for a project, so perhaps all we need are some new terms.

Scaffolding is this feature that is built into Cake that will auto generate HTML *output* for you, not the files themselves. You can read about it at http://book.cakephp.org/view/105/Scaffolding. Again, I feel that it’s just a toy that you shouldn’t use for any kind of serious work.

‘cake bake’, on the other head, generates the actual files for you. I use ‘cake bake’ all the time, but NEVER use the built-in scaffolding.

Hope that clears it up for ya.

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:30:08 +0000

Chris, great article…however, I was some what confused by your comments about Scaffolding. Can you clarify a little more? If I understand you correctly, use cake bake and modify what it puts out, but don’t use the scaffolding pieces for show and tell? Thanks.

By: davidion

davidion — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:12:14 +0000

CakePHP has some more weaknesses. Read it here http://www.slideshare.net/pcdinh/how-to-learn-to-build-your-own-php-framework-presentation (there are some pages which mention CakePHP architecture’s shortcomings

Can you defend it?

Davidion

By: Rowland

Rowland — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:51:34 +0000

In terms of documentation the best place for examples is here:

http://api.cakephp.org/tests/classes.html